Living with KHV

[Lotusman]

Redox,
Then be astounded, my friend. I think you came here with an agenda. Your initial post asked if restocking with Israeli koi was a good idea. This Israeli koi theme has been consistent throughout most of your posts. Hence my analysis of the reason you are here on KoiVet.

Yes, your thread has been viewed by many readers. However, the content has a very low rating with our membership.

 

[redox]

To all the people who say this subject has a "low rating", among members it's time to wake up and see what is happening world wide on the KHV subject,it has now been confirmed 27 prefectures in japan that is more than half are now infected with KHV and we the UK are been told that it will be unlikely to have any imports from Japan into the UK this year. Yet still the old "kill everything", and bury our head in the sand attitude is prevailing.
THERE IS A KHV ANTI_VIRUS VACCINE available and yes it's from ISRAEL and I am not afraid to promote it!

[Lotusman]

redox,
I did not appreciate the vulgar comment to your fellow KoiVet members, so I deleted it. Please do not do this again or we will ban you like a bra in the 1970's.

[Shadow Darner]

Thank you Richard!       

[redox]

Hi I clicked on the head banging avatar I didn't see any vulgar language try it please.

[Lotusman]

Redox,
Well the head banging avatar did not appear, perhaps it was an internal error. I am going to give you the benefit of a doubt here. I expect you to continue acting like a gentleman.

[redox]

For anyone interested i have just started a poll on www.yorkshirekoi.co.uk regards Britain's requirement to submit to the EU Sanco directive declaring itself KHV infected at a level between 1 and 5. 1(infected) to 5(clear).
DEFRA are expected to submit level 4 that will allow a TOTAL ban on importing koi from ALL countries registered at a higher level of infection into the UK. This could be D Day for our hobby and the ban is proposed for 2 years then to be reveiwed.This is taking place in JULY 2009.
The post on the site is to get people to go to the DEFRA web site here in the UK and take part in consultation on this issue as many people myself included feel a higher figure say level 2 should be submitted and this would have no effect on imports as fish would pose no greater risk than what is already out there.
I have said in previous posts it is coming to a head and global interest in tackling KHV is on the up and up as usually happens I don't think it will be long before it affects the US or other countries worldwide.
You heard it here first!
best regards Alan.

[Tamianth]

I checked the avatar and nothing there hidden so it was probably a malfunction. The code for it is b.u.c.k.2.. I added the dots in so the avatar wouldn't appear where I wish the code to be given rather then.  

Given that, perhaps you don't realize it Redox, but the US has already implemented a import law.  The fish have to have certificates from a vet and have been tested for both KHV and SVC and vet checked upon arrival at the airport and the certs inspected. They must be clear and clean of SVC for 5 plus years as well accordingly..  At the same time, this was also meant to prevent the mkt being flooded by some of those shady places just out to make $ with no cares as to diseases passed. Most of our dealers are now also preforming the tests upon arrival as well.  Nothing is 100% and thats a given..  

 

[redox]

For anyone interested i have just started a poll on www.yorkshirekoi.co.uk regards Britain's requirement to submit to the EU Sanco directive declaring itself KHV infected at a level between 1 and 5. 1(clear) to 5(infected).
DEFRA are expected to submit level 4 that will allow a TOTAL ban on importing koi from ALL countries registered at a higher level of infection into the UK. This could be D Day for our hobby and the ban is proposed for 2 years then to be reveiwed.This is taking place in JULY 2009.
The post on the site is to get people to go to the DEFRA web site here in the UK and take part in consultation on this issue as many people myself included feel a higher figure say level 2 should be submitted and this would have no effect on imports as fish would pose no greater risk than what is already out there.
I have said in previous posts it is coming to a head and global interest in tackling KHV is on the up and up as usually happens I don't think it will be long before it affects the US or other countries worldwide.
You heard it here first! Just edited original post as I made an error quoting infection scale 1 to 5 wrongly.
best regards Alan.

[redox]

Hi all who are following this story. Well things have moved on fast this year, firstly to protect the integrity and standing of the koi club I was chairman of I resigned my post and retired from the club as there was still underlying issues regarding my koi having had khv and the PERCEIVED risks associated with that to visitors whether from my own club or other exchange club visits.I couldn't convince everyone even with Mordi Haimi's help so I considered it only right to remove myself from the club.
I am quite sad that khv is so greatly feared and that it is actually a simple process to immunise against the disease but beaurocracy seems to win over common sense.I experienced it first hand and the debate still goes on and on with more and more cases daily while we just bury our heads and do nothing!
The UK as quoted earlier is slowly addressing the requirement to act within the EU guidelines in Brussel's but the emphasis is on slow.
As for my survivours they have experienced the trigger temperature range for re-infection and are with naive fish that have shown no sign of any infection and actually the whole pond has gone through the sometimes traumatic spawning period of the last two weeks where water quality has been less than perfect.
The fish look healthy all feed well and my stocking level is now back to just below what I had a year ago so things look promising.For anyone following my Israeli v Japanese fish argument the survivours are Israeli and English koi,some immunised some not!
As for myself my hobby isn't the same not so much socialising but I still have my koi who knows maybe more people will join me once they have been put in this position themselves kill or keep your koi is not really an option i had trouble deciding over but each to their own I try to do the best for others in bringing this subject into the public forum. best wishes Alan.

[KoiCop]

Hello Allan . . .

As much sympathy as I personally feel for you re: the fish you lost (and your erstwhile friends), I do think that for the benefit of readers new to this thread it must be pointed out that your fish were not lab tested -- therefore, KHV was not diagonsed by any reputable testing service.

Best wishes on your continued enjoyment of our hobby,

[James]

Somebody is going to awfully great lengths to keep this thread alive.

[Tamianth]

Don has made excellent point, along with others before this. The fish where not tested so the question is, is it really KHV?  Without the testing done, there is not 100% confirmation here...  Many illness's resemble symptom wise and accompanying secondary's..  and when I see naive fish in with assumed KHV infected fish and nothing happens, well.. I think this speaks for and of itself ..


Unless new evidence via test results are presented, I think this thread has run its course..